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		<title>By: Building For Bicycling @ MassBike</title>
		<link>http://www.massbike.org/2010/02/26/massbike-believes-in-bicycle-infrastructure/comment-page-1/#comment-24346</link>
		<dc:creator>Building For Bicycling @ MassBike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Nov 2010 20:50:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] this year, MassBike announced our new bicycle infrastructure policy. Since then, we&#8217;ve been working on key projects throughout Massachusetts to ensure that [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Ken Cheeseman</title>
		<link>http://www.massbike.org/2010/02/26/massbike-believes-in-bicycle-infrastructure/comment-page-1/#comment-4453</link>
		<dc:creator>Ken Cheeseman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Apr 2010 00:26:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have to agree with Peter Cole&#039;s post  completely. As an avid, year round, cyclist with over 40 years of bike commuting, racing, touring and recreational riding in the Boston area I long ago grew tired of the &quot;vehicular/effective cycling arguments&quot; and moved away from advocacy groups and club riding for that reason. I feel that debate stymied the growth of cycling as a more mainstream acceptable means of transportation- and I am a very capable road rider with 100&#039;s of thousands of miles of riding on the roads.

The vehicular crowd held cycling in it&#039;s grip and minimal growth has occurred since the 1970&#039;s. I have also lived and ridden in NYC since the 1980&#039;s and it&#039;s been amazing to watch as infrastructure has completely changed the cycling environment in that city. The same friends, who 20 years ago used to call me insane for riding in the city, are now every day cyclists and all of them attribute the West Side Bike path and bike lanes for their change of heart. And the NYC infrastructure is by no means &quot;perfect&quot; but bicycling related deaths and injuries have not skyrocketed with the increase in cyclists.

I agree with those that say that with the loss of every strict vehicular cyclist/infrastructure naysayer MassBike can expect an increase in membership. I, for one, am only too happy to support these new, more open minded efforts to support infrastructure.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have to agree with Peter Cole&#8217;s post  completely. As an avid, year round, cyclist with over 40 years of bike commuting, racing, touring and recreational riding in the Boston area I long ago grew tired of the &#8220;vehicular/effective cycling arguments&#8221; and moved away from advocacy groups and club riding for that reason. I feel that debate stymied the growth of cycling as a more mainstream acceptable means of transportation- and I am a very capable road rider with 100&#8242;s of thousands of miles of riding on the roads.</p>
<p>The vehicular crowd held cycling in it&#8217;s grip and minimal growth has occurred since the 1970&#8242;s. I have also lived and ridden in NYC since the 1980&#8242;s and it&#8217;s been amazing to watch as infrastructure has completely changed the cycling environment in that city. The same friends, who 20 years ago used to call me insane for riding in the city, are now every day cyclists and all of them attribute the West Side Bike path and bike lanes for their change of heart. And the NYC infrastructure is by no means &#8220;perfect&#8221; but bicycling related deaths and injuries have not skyrocketed with the increase in cyclists.</p>
<p>I agree with those that say that with the loss of every strict vehicular cyclist/infrastructure naysayer MassBike can expect an increase in membership. I, for one, am only too happy to support these new, more open minded efforts to support infrastructure.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul Schimek</title>
		<link>http://www.massbike.org/2010/02/26/massbike-believes-in-bicycle-infrastructure/comment-page-1/#comment-2254</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul Schimek</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Mar 2010 21:07:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If only we had two-way urban bike paths between parked cars and the curb like in Montreal, we would think we were in heaven. But don&#039;t take my word for it, here is a description of one Montreal bicycle blogger:

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For some strange, possibly insane, reason we took the Rachel street bike path last night.

This path is insane, and insanely dangerous.

It crosses many side-streets, is next to a sidewalk full of people who step off on to the bike path frequently without looking, is full of aggressive and not-traffic-law-obeying cyclists who pass with no bell-ringing or even space to pass, has roller bladers going side by side blocking the whole path, has dogs, kids, and a line of parked cars making cyclists invisible to the passing (and turning!) cars. There&#039;s probably a few more ways to die on this path that I didn&#039;t notice, but I was only there for ten minutes.

Basically this path is a nightmare.

http://cyclingfunmontreal.blogspot.com/2008/05/rachel-street-and-lachine-canal-unsafe.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If only we had two-way urban bike paths between parked cars and the curb like in Montreal, we would think we were in heaven. But don&#8217;t take my word for it, here is a description of one Montreal bicycle blogger:</p>
<p>&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;-<br />
For some strange, possibly insane, reason we took the Rachel street bike path last night.</p>
<p>This path is insane, and insanely dangerous.</p>
<p>It crosses many side-streets, is next to a sidewalk full of people who step off on to the bike path frequently without looking, is full of aggressive and not-traffic-law-obeying cyclists who pass with no bell-ringing or even space to pass, has roller bladers going side by side blocking the whole path, has dogs, kids, and a line of parked cars making cyclists invisible to the passing (and turning!) cars. There&#8217;s probably a few more ways to die on this path that I didn&#8217;t notice, but I was only there for ten minutes.</p>
<p>Basically this path is a nightmare.</p>
<p><a href="http://cyclingfunmontreal.blogspot.com/2008/05/rachel-street-and-lachine-canal-unsafe.html" rel="nofollow">http://cyclingfunmontreal.blogspot.com/2008/05/rachel-street-and-lachine-canal-unsafe.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Dan</title>
		<link>http://www.massbike.org/2010/02/26/massbike-believes-in-bicycle-infrastructure/comment-page-1/#comment-1773</link>
		<dc:creator>Dan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Mar 2010 20:02:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Glad MassBike clarified their position on this. Literally one day earlier I had a discussion with some friends of mine who were still of the belief that MassBike&#039;s position was ambiguous and split on this issue. 

You can FEEL the difference in biker awareness from motorists in cities like Cambridge that have had bike infrastructure in place for awhile vs. those that haven&#039;t such as Somerville. I live in Somerville and am fairly confident in my ability to read tea leaves to figure out what motorists are about to do... but if I were a less experienced biker there is no way I would begin riding amongst that sort of adversity. 

Bike infrastructure breeds ridership and ridership and clear boundaries breed biker awareness on the roads. From there GOOD ridership can be emphasized but it matters not if you&#039;re riding as you ought to and every other driver blindsides you because they do not expect your presence.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Glad MassBike clarified their position on this. Literally one day earlier I had a discussion with some friends of mine who were still of the belief that MassBike&#8217;s position was ambiguous and split on this issue. </p>
<p>You can FEEL the difference in biker awareness from motorists in cities like Cambridge that have had bike infrastructure in place for awhile vs. those that haven&#8217;t such as Somerville. I live in Somerville and am fairly confident in my ability to read tea leaves to figure out what motorists are about to do&#8230; but if I were a less experienced biker there is no way I would begin riding amongst that sort of adversity. </p>
<p>Bike infrastructure breeds ridership and ridership and clear boundaries breed biker awareness on the roads. From there GOOD ridership can be emphasized but it matters not if you&#8217;re riding as you ought to and every other driver blindsides you because they do not expect your presence.</p>
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		<title>By: Peter Cole</title>
		<link>http://www.massbike.org/2010/02/26/massbike-believes-in-bicycle-infrastructure/comment-page-1/#comment-1753</link>
		<dc:creator>Peter Cole</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Mar 2010 19:05:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is encouraging news. I have ridden the streets of Boston and Cambridge since the 60&#039;s. I have raised 2 children to ride them, also. I have never had a cycling accident, despite 10&#039;s of thousands of miles in the saddle. I think I&#039;m a competent cyclist.

Up until now, I have seen no progress in urban cycling here in 40 years. I understand &quot;vehicular cycling&quot;. I have read &quot;Effective Cycling&quot;. I have read the studies and the white papers. I have engaged in many arguments on the Internet. I think I&#039;m a well informed cyclist.

I let my MassBike membership lapse many years ago. I saw no reason to support an organization that I felt worked against my interests. I firmly support bicycle facilities. I even more firmly support traffic calming and reduction of automobile facilities in densely settled areas. I won&#039;t bother with a reprise of the arguments, the positions are well established, I won&#039;t add anything new.

Vehicular/Effective cycling is an experiment that has been tried and failed -- like Reaganomics. Time to move on. I&#039;m sure that there will be many alternate un-facilitated routes available for the foreseeable future, more than enough to accommodate the faithful. Don&#039;t worry about the rest of us, we&#039;ll be fine.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is encouraging news. I have ridden the streets of Boston and Cambridge since the 60&#8242;s. I have raised 2 children to ride them, also. I have never had a cycling accident, despite 10&#8242;s of thousands of miles in the saddle. I think I&#8217;m a competent cyclist.</p>
<p>Up until now, I have seen no progress in urban cycling here in 40 years. I understand &#8220;vehicular cycling&#8221;. I have read &#8220;Effective Cycling&#8221;. I have read the studies and the white papers. I have engaged in many arguments on the Internet. I think I&#8217;m a well informed cyclist.</p>
<p>I let my MassBike membership lapse many years ago. I saw no reason to support an organization that I felt worked against my interests. I firmly support bicycle facilities. I even more firmly support traffic calming and reduction of automobile facilities in densely settled areas. I won&#8217;t bother with a reprise of the arguments, the positions are well established, I won&#8217;t add anything new.</p>
<p>Vehicular/Effective cycling is an experiment that has been tried and failed &#8212; like Reaganomics. Time to move on. I&#8217;m sure that there will be many alternate un-facilitated routes available for the foreseeable future, more than enough to accommodate the faithful. Don&#8217;t worry about the rest of us, we&#8217;ll be fine.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
		<link>http://www.massbike.org/2010/02/26/massbike-believes-in-bicycle-infrastructure/comment-page-1/#comment-1751</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Mar 2010 17:09:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Go Massbike! I agree completely with Peter Furth&#039;s assessment of the situation.  For every effective cyclists who quits MassBike, you&#039;ll gain an army of new members as more bike infrastructure is built.    

I had given up on Massbike due to the rabid effective cyclist contingent. Now I&#039;m excited about the possibilities.  

In case the effective cyclists missed it, the LAB has now seen the light too:

http://www.bicyclefriendlycommunity.org/Images/smart_cycling_and_bike_lanes.pdf</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Go Massbike! I agree completely with Peter Furth&#8217;s assessment of the situation.  For every effective cyclists who quits MassBike, you&#8217;ll gain an army of new members as more bike infrastructure is built.    </p>
<p>I had given up on Massbike due to the rabid effective cyclist contingent. Now I&#8217;m excited about the possibilities.  </p>
<p>In case the effective cyclists missed it, the LAB has now seen the light too:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.bicyclefriendlycommunity.org/Images/smart_cycling_and_bike_lanes.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.bicyclefriendlycommunity.org/Images/smart_cycling_and_bike_lanes.pdf</a></p>
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		<title>By: Ray</title>
		<link>http://www.massbike.org/2010/02/26/massbike-believes-in-bicycle-infrastructure/comment-page-1/#comment-1741</link>
		<dc:creator>Ray</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Mar 2010 05:33:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This sort of thing is why I&#039;m longer a MassBike member.
Loved the police training, loved the work on the cyclist&#039;s bill of rights, but you&#039;ve lost me here and since there&#039;s more than enough    
movement for facilities from outside the cycling community, I figure I&#039;ll support cycling in another way.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This sort of thing is why I&#8217;m longer a MassBike member.<br />
Loved the police training, loved the work on the cyclist&#8217;s bill of rights, but you&#8217;ve lost me here and since there&#8217;s more than enough<br />
movement for facilities from outside the cycling community, I figure I&#8217;ll support cycling in another way.</p>
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		<title>By: matt</title>
		<link>http://www.massbike.org/2010/02/26/massbike-believes-in-bicycle-infrastructure/comment-page-1/#comment-1739</link>
		<dc:creator>matt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Mar 2010 04:56:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>--
We said, door zone bike lanes guide cyclists into dangerous positions in the roadway, and therefore, bike lane should not be striped in door zones.
--

Tom, I&#039;d like to make sure that I understand what you&#039;re saying here. Are you suggesting that bike lanes (even of the mandated 5-foot width) should not be striped next to on-street parking? 

If I&#039;ve understood -- and perhaps I haven&#039;t -- then this would suggest that the bike lanes on Washington St. from Roslindale Square to Forest Hills ought not to have been installed. 

I&#039;m not sure I see the rationale. If I ride in the left-hand part of the bike lane, I&#039;m pretty much out of the door zone (except perhaps for old coupes with those *really* long doors). Without the bike lane, I would feel the need to &quot;take the lane&quot; most of the way, which would seem impractical given how quickly the traffic moves there (and I am not one of these 20mph+ commuters). 

That said, I do agree that bike lanes as often striped may encourage newbies like me to hug the right-hand side of the lane. I would like to see some alternative designs that discourage this, such as making the right-hand line a foot thick or painting diagonal &quot;door lines&quot; where doors would open.</description>
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We said, door zone bike lanes guide cyclists into dangerous positions in the roadway, and therefore, bike lane should not be striped in door zones.<br />
&#8211;</p>
<p>Tom, I&#8217;d like to make sure that I understand what you&#8217;re saying here. Are you suggesting that bike lanes (even of the mandated 5-foot width) should not be striped next to on-street parking? </p>
<p>If I&#8217;ve understood &#8212; and perhaps I haven&#8217;t &#8212; then this would suggest that the bike lanes on Washington St. from Roslindale Square to Forest Hills ought not to have been installed. </p>
<p>I&#8217;m not sure I see the rationale. If I ride in the left-hand part of the bike lane, I&#8217;m pretty much out of the door zone (except perhaps for old coupes with those *really* long doors). Without the bike lane, I would feel the need to &#8220;take the lane&#8221; most of the way, which would seem impractical given how quickly the traffic moves there (and I am not one of these 20mph+ commuters). </p>
<p>That said, I do agree that bike lanes as often striped may encourage newbies like me to hug the right-hand side of the lane. I would like to see some alternative designs that discourage this, such as making the right-hand line a foot thick or painting diagonal &#8220;door lines&#8221; where doors would open.</p>
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		<title>By: Tom Revay</title>
		<link>http://www.massbike.org/2010/02/26/massbike-believes-in-bicycle-infrastructure/comment-page-1/#comment-1733</link>
		<dc:creator>Tom Revay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Mar 2010 00:23:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>JJ wrote:
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I believe that the biggest improvement to cyclist safety is the safety in numbers idea, which has substantial data to back it up. So even a door zone bike lane is good if it means more people will bike. If more people are biking, even in the door zone, motorists will be more careful opening doors.
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The &quot;safety in numbers idea&quot; is something that the bike facilities zealots have championed in recent years.  This has happened after they&#039;ve stopped making specific claims for creating safety with their devices (ignoring those made but not validated by the original blog posting above)

This argument has come since people like me have decided not to be shouted down, and instead, have challenged the FZs to demonstrate how their cherished facilities actually improve safety.  

Unable to make a case for them, they&#039;ve resorted to statistically-based claims that crash rates -- not necessarily crash numbers -- go down as the number of cyclists increases in a given area.  This claim ignores confounding factors, notably, but not limited to the fact that they&#039;re working with two different populations.  Indeed, they hasten to point out that the &quot;risk averse&quot; come to their facilities once they&#039;re built -- thereby implying that those who rode before the nirvana of bikeways arrived must be made of different stuff.  Is it unreasonable, then, to point out that they&#039;re comparing pommes de terre to apples, and expecting to get applesauce when we mix them?

But here&#039;s a simple question for you, JJ:  are you willing to give your safety over to the now enlightened motorists of Kenmore Square and elsewhere, and declare that you will ride close to car doors because you&#039;re *absolutely certain* that the good persons within these vehicles will grant you your safe passage?  Remember, these are the same people who scream at us to get out of &quot;their roads,&quot; who complain that we aren&#039;t licensed (which I am) and don&#039;t pay taxes (which I do), and who need to understand that the &quot;roads weren&#039;t made for bicycles&quot; -- even though most of the streets I ride on in this area predate the automobile by anywhere from 50 to 300 years.

I won&#039;t.  And I will continue to advise cyclists like you to ride at least four feet from car doors -- a distance that will put you and other such cyclists at least partly outside most bike lanes.  (But of course, I&#039;ll ride at this distance whether or not there&#039;s a bike lane, and I&#039;ll suggest you do the same.)

If you think my advice to stay away from car doors is appropriate, why would you support creating a bicycle facility that says, clearly, &quot;RIDE HERE, NEWBIES!&quot;?  

The logic of the &quot;safety in numbers idea&quot; declares those who do so expendable, in the greater good of increasing the numbers of cyclists -- assuming these things really do that, which is also subject to question.

I call that program, &quot;Pickett&#039;s Charge Bicycle Advocacy.&quot;  Sure, some innocents may fall -- says this program -- but think of the greater good, dear friends!  Why, if we only try hard enough, the bright, new, healthy, car-free, low polltion world will be ours!  

And I&#039;ve heard this chorus I&#039;ve since 1982, the year I dumped the T and started riding my Miyata 310 in Boston.  

Ultimately, the &quot;safety in numbers idea&quot; is perhaps the most cynical argument the facilities zealots have ever come up with.  It needs to be seen for what it is.  And no responsible person should advise bicyclists to ride at anything above walking speed if they&#039;re within four feet of a parked car.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>JJ wrote:<br />
&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;<br />
I believe that the biggest improvement to cyclist safety is the safety in numbers idea, which has substantial data to back it up. So even a door zone bike lane is good if it means more people will bike. If more people are biking, even in the door zone, motorists will be more careful opening doors.<br />
&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;</p>
<p>The &#8220;safety in numbers idea&#8221; is something that the bike facilities zealots have championed in recent years.  This has happened after they&#8217;ve stopped making specific claims for creating safety with their devices (ignoring those made but not validated by the original blog posting above)</p>
<p>This argument has come since people like me have decided not to be shouted down, and instead, have challenged the FZs to demonstrate how their cherished facilities actually improve safety.  </p>
<p>Unable to make a case for them, they&#8217;ve resorted to statistically-based claims that crash rates &#8212; not necessarily crash numbers &#8212; go down as the number of cyclists increases in a given area.  This claim ignores confounding factors, notably, but not limited to the fact that they&#8217;re working with two different populations.  Indeed, they hasten to point out that the &#8220;risk averse&#8221; come to their facilities once they&#8217;re built &#8212; thereby implying that those who rode before the nirvana of bikeways arrived must be made of different stuff.  Is it unreasonable, then, to point out that they&#8217;re comparing pommes de terre to apples, and expecting to get applesauce when we mix them?</p>
<p>But here&#8217;s a simple question for you, JJ:  are you willing to give your safety over to the now enlightened motorists of Kenmore Square and elsewhere, and declare that you will ride close to car doors because you&#8217;re *absolutely certain* that the good persons within these vehicles will grant you your safe passage?  Remember, these are the same people who scream at us to get out of &#8220;their roads,&#8221; who complain that we aren&#8217;t licensed (which I am) and don&#8217;t pay taxes (which I do), and who need to understand that the &#8220;roads weren&#8217;t made for bicycles&#8221; &#8212; even though most of the streets I ride on in this area predate the automobile by anywhere from 50 to 300 years.</p>
<p>I won&#8217;t.  And I will continue to advise cyclists like you to ride at least four feet from car doors &#8212; a distance that will put you and other such cyclists at least partly outside most bike lanes.  (But of course, I&#8217;ll ride at this distance whether or not there&#8217;s a bike lane, and I&#8217;ll suggest you do the same.)</p>
<p>If you think my advice to stay away from car doors is appropriate, why would you support creating a bicycle facility that says, clearly, &#8220;RIDE HERE, NEWBIES!&#8221;?  </p>
<p>The logic of the &#8220;safety in numbers idea&#8221; declares those who do so expendable, in the greater good of increasing the numbers of cyclists &#8212; assuming these things really do that, which is also subject to question.</p>
<p>I call that program, &#8220;Pickett&#8217;s Charge Bicycle Advocacy.&#8221;  Sure, some innocents may fall &#8212; says this program &#8212; but think of the greater good, dear friends!  Why, if we only try hard enough, the bright, new, healthy, car-free, low polltion world will be ours!  </p>
<p>And I&#8217;ve heard this chorus I&#8217;ve since 1982, the year I dumped the T and started riding my Miyata 310 in Boston.  </p>
<p>Ultimately, the &#8220;safety in numbers idea&#8221; is perhaps the most cynical argument the facilities zealots have ever come up with.  It needs to be seen for what it is.  And no responsible person should advise bicyclists to ride at anything above walking speed if they&#8217;re within four feet of a parked car.</p>
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		<title>By: JJ</title>
		<link>http://www.massbike.org/2010/02/26/massbike-believes-in-bicycle-infrastructure/comment-page-1/#comment-1710</link>
		<dc:creator>JJ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Mar 2010 02:11:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I completely agree with Peter Furth. The old policy of &quot;perfect or nothing&quot; did more harm than good. Tom Revay argues that saying that is a gross simplification, and that may be the case....but it&#039;s the message I and others were getting from massbike. Every time I went to a public meeting and heard someone say &quot;Id rather there be no bike lane if all you can offer is a 3 foot one&quot; made me very angry. The city wasn&#039;t about to say &quot;oh, I guess well give you a 5 foot lane then&quot; they&#039;d say &quot;well, clearly we should save some paint&quot;.

I believe that the biggest improvement to cyclist safety is the safety in numbers idea, which has substantial data to back it up. So even a door zone bike lane is good if it means more people will bike. If more people are biking, even in the door zone, motorists will be more careful opening doors. 

A great example is Kenmore square. Honestly, the bike lanes they painted along the edge suck. Theyre 100% door zone, and larger cars dont fully fit in the parking area. But they&#039;ve been there over a year and I haven&#039;t read of a single dooring incident. And as someone who walks through Kenmore square 5 times a week, and have been doing so for 5 years, it&#039;s extremely obvious that the number of people biking in kenmore square has gone up drastically. I think it&#039;s safe to say that the presence of bikes lanes, even door zone bike lanes, have encouraged them to hop on bikes. 

I&#039;m all for separated bike lanes, like they&#039;re putting in all over new york city. I&#039;d love to see that in Boston. But a door zone bike lane on one road doesn&#039;t reduce the ability of the city to create a better facility on another road. On the contrary, with more people biking, there&#039;s more demand to make radical changes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I completely agree with Peter Furth. The old policy of &#8220;perfect or nothing&#8221; did more harm than good. Tom Revay argues that saying that is a gross simplification, and that may be the case&#8230;.but it&#8217;s the message I and others were getting from massbike. Every time I went to a public meeting and heard someone say &#8220;Id rather there be no bike lane if all you can offer is a 3 foot one&#8221; made me very angry. The city wasn&#8217;t about to say &#8220;oh, I guess well give you a 5 foot lane then&#8221; they&#8217;d say &#8220;well, clearly we should save some paint&#8221;.</p>
<p>I believe that the biggest improvement to cyclist safety is the safety in numbers idea, which has substantial data to back it up. So even a door zone bike lane is good if it means more people will bike. If more people are biking, even in the door zone, motorists will be more careful opening doors. </p>
<p>A great example is Kenmore square. Honestly, the bike lanes they painted along the edge suck. Theyre 100% door zone, and larger cars dont fully fit in the parking area. But they&#8217;ve been there over a year and I haven&#8217;t read of a single dooring incident. And as someone who walks through Kenmore square 5 times a week, and have been doing so for 5 years, it&#8217;s extremely obvious that the number of people biking in kenmore square has gone up drastically. I think it&#8217;s safe to say that the presence of bikes lanes, even door zone bike lanes, have encouraged them to hop on bikes. </p>
<p>I&#8217;m all for separated bike lanes, like they&#8217;re putting in all over new york city. I&#8217;d love to see that in Boston. But a door zone bike lane on one road doesn&#8217;t reduce the ability of the city to create a better facility on another road. On the contrary, with more people biking, there&#8217;s more demand to make radical changes.</p>
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